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“The Cornish Accent Are We Losing It?.....

In the hustle and bustle of life to get on, have we or are we disregarding our local accent and opting more for the Queens English? Or are those who were born in the county just copycatting all those other accents that were not born in the county?

Basically are the Cornish slowly losing their individuality?”

By youngcornwall Posted: March 25, 2012

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  • Taxman100  |  March 26 2012, 11:01AM

    Changing, or losing an accent does not alter ones individuality. Language is for communication, and if a strong accent detracts from that then logically the accent will, over time, disappear. Only the individual decides upon that little matter. When young, I had a slight Cornish accent, but after spending, many, many years amongst the Scots I now have a slight Scottish accent - and tend to use the words 'laddie & lassie and a wee dram' etc. I can assure you however, I remain the total 'nutcase' I have always been - supporting the fact that losing, or changing ones accent does not affect ones individuality or personality. I hope the Clinical Psychologists agree with my appraisal?

  • youngcornwall  |  March 26 2012, 1:06PM

    "Basically are the Cornish slowly losing their individuality?" Natural progression more like, nothing stays the same. I had a strong accent and was told continually to speak properly by my mother and teachers, one teacher had a particular saying to get his point over, he would tell us "Sound your H's or I'll it e over the ed with a ammer" it didn't help me much, many years after to this day, my wife says no wonder I cannot spell, because you do not speak properly, and she isn't Cornish, so she ought to know. I know now it is thought by some for it to be the in thing, to have a broad accent, I dread to think how I would have got on if I was encouraged to learn one of the Cornish languages.

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 26 2012, 3:14PM

    You would only need to learn one Cornish Language, youngcornwall, because there is only one. The different forms have slight spelling differences but the Westminster Government and Europe fully recognise and fund the Single Written Form which any speaker of the language can use. For example: British English "colour" - American English "color", "aluminium" "aluminum" and so on. American speakers converse easily with Britons. A typical Cornish word is the one meaning road "forth" or "fordh" both pronounced identically. This same variation exists in Welsh Brythonic as well as Cornish Brythonic. If you take English words used by Chaucer, they remain English but you would not recognise them as such now. There is far more variation there than in Kernewek. Couple of young Kernewek speakers here: http://tinyurl.com/7rr3g8z Singing here: http://tinyurl.com/7wslunt and here: http://tinyurl.com/7q88ued (Hanterhir - a popular rock band) And here is one of the people who will be teaching the miners at Crofty speaking Kernewek: http://tinyurl.com/yeowc9w

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 26 2012, 3:20PM

    Another favourite, beautifully sung: http://tinyurl.com/89khsm2

  • youngcornwall  |  March 26 2012, 4:10PM

    As I said on another topic "Yes a nice little hobby if you like that sort of thing." Only to add, these Anoraks, Boffins call them whatever you like are getting their act together now, in the last few years since funding has been available, and of course new blood coming into the county showing an interest. Not so in my day, this recently reinvented hobby would have been more of a hindrance than a help to our schooling without a doubt, pigeon racing and rabbiting were our hobbies with a dose of snooker or billiards, everyone to their own I say.

  • Slimslad  |  March 26 2012, 5:42PM

    I think the question was about accent, rather than language, (especially a "best-guess" language like Kernewek).

  • youngcornwall  |  March 26 2012, 6:03PM

    Your right Slimslad "Av a cup mor tay boy cak waint fil e" .. Getting a job in a call centre talking like this is very unlikely, OK down Newlyn fish market I suppose. Accents are only used when going home, to keep the families happy, "He's a nice boy, never forgot where he came from" LOL.

  • Slimslad  |  March 26 2012, 7:36PM

    Never mind, yc. It gave the neo-Celt the chance to post some well-worn links.

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 26 2012, 8:05PM

    Well worn? Hardly!!! |At least one of them is a couple of months old!!! Would you call the teenagers and the likes of Cornish singing rock musicians like Hanterhir who are in their early 20's 'boffins'? No I am well aware of the snide little comments "young" "cornwall" and also "Slimslad" who has obviously never read any of the vast amount of material written in Kernewek including the medieval miracle plays Bewnans Meriasek, Bewnans Ke, the Ordinalia, the many modern publications here: http://tinyurl.com/c3ghqgg and the officially supported Cornish Language Department: http://tinyurl.com/3nzxp97 No, you like to sneer don't you Slimslad? Enjoy you fairly recent English language and rest assured that it will fade as the numbers of Mandarin speakers increase and the USA become dominated by Spanish. Put it down to sarcastic ignorance I suppose?

  • Slimslad  |  March 26 2012, 8:21PM

    Not a sneer, a fact of life. "Fairly recent" is Kernewek, a manufactured language, created as part of the attempt at portraying Cornwall as part of a mystical, fairy-tale part of a legendary "Nation of Celts" What if Mandarin "overtakes" English? So what?

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 26 2012, 8:28PM

    A beautifully sung unaccopanied solo in Kernewek I believe sung by the late Coun John Bolitho: http://tinyurl.com/cc29ltl Meanwhile Cornish speaker and author Craig Weatherhill says the Lord's Prayer in Cornish and talks about his best selling book: http://tinyurl.com/brudkt8 Meanwhile Cornish Poet and teacher, Bard Dr. Pol Hodge and Cornwall Councillor Bert Biscoe: http://tinyurl.com/brudkt8

  • Gurnards_Head  |  March 26 2012, 8:40PM

    Here we go again another recipe for tribalism and mayhem he he he. Its great to refer to the Cornish language to find the origin of place names etc but I will never master the spoken word... dont really have any wish to but fair play to those that do. To me the dialect is vital I am proud of mine and my sons is coming along nicely since he left school and came to work in a real Cornish family business. If Cockney Joe reckons I am a swede basher so what, its what gives Cornwall and indeed the entire British Isles its rich diversity when you are often able to ascertain a persons origin instantly. It is still possible to tell a native Cover from a St Juster or a Hake and long may it continue. Padstow remains the inner sanctum of Cornishness with that heavenly North Coast style of pronunciation despite the Stein factor which has seen the real locals become seriously outnumbered. Who wants or needs the bland nasal uniformity of bog standard Estuary English which is fine in the Essex marshes but a bit out of place anywhere in Kernow. The only ones I have a real problem with are the "blow ins" those jumped up rootless snobs who reckon we are all a bunch of peasants as they speak with their affected la de dah twang about us rather than to us.

  • Slimslad  |  March 26 2012, 8:49PM

    I totally agree, Gurnards_Head. These neo-Celts see themselves as badly-done-to, "victims" of "The English Establishment". You will also notice a fair number of them love conspiracy theories, (secret "World Government"and the "Bilderberg Conspiracy"). Cornwall has a rich accent and a rich heritage, no doubts!

  • youngcornwall  |  March 26 2012, 8:59PM

    All good stuff keep them coming. http://tinyurl.com/3sknsjs http://tinyurl.com/cbbkmr3

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 26 2012, 9:20PM

    Again slimslad displays his incredible ignorance by stating that Kernewek is an invented language when I have already named at least three substantial documents written in it which date from medieval times. The arrogance of slimslad is astounding although to be expected from the likes of him. An amusing couple speaking in Kernewek, uploaded February of this year http://tinyurl.com/blk2z2x compares well with Cornish dating from the 9th century , which is a gloss in a Latin manuscript of De Consolatione Philosophiae by Boethius, which used the words ud rocashaas. The phrase means "it (the mind) hated the gloomy places" Of course, in the ninth century English did not exist.

  • Slimslad  |  March 27 2012, 7:28AM

    Again, " Gwynnhadu", displays his rudeness toward those who disagree with him.

  • youngcornwall  |  March 27 2012, 9:21AM

    Slimslad unfortunately this is one of the characteristics of some Cornish, by browbeating and trying to belittle others not in agreement with them, they think this gives them the upper ground, quite the opposite in fact, it just shows how immature they really are. Why they cannot take it for what it is, a hobby, I do not quite understand, what more is there? Those two lads in the link above are obviously enjoying their hobby, good for them, perhaps the nasty side of the nats have not got to them yet.

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 27 2012, 10:09AM

    Ever popular Matthew Clarke and his Cornish speaking rock band, regular entrants at the pan Celtic song competition and winner: http://tinyurl.com/ct6mcbe Meanwhile, bi lingual English/Cornish street signage continues: http://tinyurl.com/d9ucjov

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 27 2012, 10:23AM

    Hilariously, there has been a considerable backlash against the recent Caroline Quinten series and Cornwall's very own Carolean Quimten films grow ever popular: http://tinyurl.com/csx86um Individuality in Cornwall seems strong as ever. More to follow.

  • Slimslad  |  March 27 2012, 10:28AM

    Why,(in a thread concerning accent), do we get these posts concerning text? Plus, the insistence that these texts existed before English, as if anyone cares?

  • Taxman100  |  March 27 2012, 10:33AM

    Gwynnhadu. I have always believed the bi-lingual road signs in Cornwall were a waste of taxpayers money, and seriously confusing for tourists: which of course I am not. That said, I notice the Polish language appears on some road signs in Wales. Slimslad. Mandarin? I am almost there, but the written word is going to take some time to master, if ever - of much greater use in the real world than the hybrid Cornish language. Privedhyou/Gwer?!

  • Slimslad  |  March 27 2012, 4:22PM

    Hilarious? What is?

  • Slimslad  |  March 27 2012, 4:25PM

    You should have just used the site where you originally posted them, "Team". http://tinyurl.com/6r7zdy2

  • Gwynnhadu  |  March 27 2012, 5:31PM

    Just can't kick the Cornwall 24 habit "Slim"? Post on there, do. Some lovely Cornish accents from the 1960's in Looe: http://tinyurl.com/d5xv7hy But brought bang up to date with this sensible advice regarding the Cornish Census from Kernow King: http://tinyurl.com/63q3szo Cornish national distinctiveness and individuality is still plainly evident.

  • Slimslad  |  March 27 2012, 7:07PM

    That young lady certainly put the cat amongst the Celts!

  • claire_avalon  |  November 23 2012, 5:44PM

    BBC SHOW LOOKING FOR CORNISH ACCENTS Do you have a strong local accent? Are you proud of where you are from? Would you like to appear on a new BBC 1 comedy-entertainment show hosted by David Walliams? We are looking for people of all ages to help us out with a new show that celebrates the United Kingdom, by asking a question to camera about their local dialect. If chosen to appear, we will travel to your town or city and film you asking a question about your regional language, which would later be shown in studio to the country's brightest and funniest. Please note: we are only looking for authentic accents, rather than voice artists. We look forward to hearing from you! For more information please contact Claire Selim at Avalon Television on: 0207 598 7252 or email claires@avalonuk.com

  • Slimslad  |  November 23 2012, 7:53PM

    Where, no doubt all accents will be treated with the respect they deserve, as a living window on the past? I am sure that David Walliams will ensure that this "comedy-entertainment show" will not "plumb the depths" with cheap jibes and jokes?

  • PaddyTrembath  |  November 23 2012, 11:33PM

    youngcornwall wrote:- ".....my wife says no wonder I cannot spell, because you do not speak properly, and she isn't Cornish, so she ought to know." Which clearly shows your opinion of the Cornish. As you claim to be Cornish, one is left wondering what it was that brought on such self loathing?

  • poldice  |  November 24 2012, 12:06AM

    I never did trust the elitism and snobbery of the BBC... given what has happened recently they must be desperate for items to take viewers minds off the Saville affair and the underlying sleaze and cesspool of corruption they have found themselves plunged into. If they treat us in the same patronising manner that the likes of Laurence Read and rest of the Radio Emmet rabble do we will be a laughing stock... laughing at ourselves is infinitely peferable to being sniggered at by a plummy bunch of Beeb types out for some cheap programme material. I for one will sit this one out my accent is my own affair.

  • Slimslad  |  November 26 2012, 4:54PM

    I never did trust the elitism and snobbery of the BBC. http://tinyurl.com/99u752n Really?

  • JJLee  |  November 30 2012, 7:58AM

    BBC SHOW LOOKING FOR CORNISH ACCENTS It may sound obvious Claire, but has the BBC considered Cornwall, we are on the map Southwest tip of England turn left at bristol.

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