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"1/ Do we not have a common descent?
A) Yes, we ALL do. What makes you think anyone born in Cornwall is so different to everyone else? Use facts to prove your point and also explain what your definition of 'common' is. Is it bloodline, for example?

2/ Do we not have a common history?
A) Yes we do. Shared with the rest of England and more widely, the UK.

3/ Do we not have a common culture?
A) Yes we do and that also is shared as above.

4/ Do we not have a common language?
A) Yes, it is English.

5/ Do we not inhabit a particular territory?
A) Yes, a part of England that was also stated to be a County of the same in the original Duchy Charter, some 800 years ago.

6/ Are we not large enough?
A) Yes. To be a part of England and the UK.

???HAVE YOUR SAY, TODAY IS THE DAY good init???

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  • hereandthere  |  December 16 2013, 4:33PM

    It seems that nobody is willing to respond, to be expected really, the nationalists have nothing to offer. Nothing to offer except 'kitchen adverts' maybe, just pathetic.

  • rickoon  |  December 16 2013, 6:40PM

    I thought with a new thread this would give the underdog the chance to regroup and maybe save a little face if possible, I suppose if you have nothing to say it is best saying nothing.

  • hereandthere  |  December 16 2013, 9:33PM

    Of course they have nothing to say. If they do post something it comes under scrutiny, they can't afford that.

  • Slimslad  |  December 17 2013, 5:01PM

    I think the nationalists have retreated to their new, cozy, comfortable and exclusive World on Facebook. Charging their batteries for "the battle ahead". The Scottish vote...

  • hereandthere  |  December 17 2013, 5:43PM

    At least Scotland is a real country with a real history.

  • rickoon  |  December 17 2013, 7:55PM

    The truth of the matter is, there is no one good enough or capable enough at this moment in time to fight for the people of Cornwall, the handful that come on here and pretend they know best are pathetic and are better off keeping out the way altogether. Until Cornwall can come up with someone who can look at the bigger picture and get it over in an acceptable way, not keep looking in the past, Cornwall is going nowhere politically.

  • AnBalores  |  December 17 2013, 9:21PM

    And then there were three posting here.

  • AnBalores  |  December 17 2013, 9:22PM

    Two of whom are not even in Cornwall!

  • AnBalores  |  December 17 2013, 9:23PM

    And the third a bit of a failed Labour councillor from what I have just read!

  • hereandthere  |  December 18 2013, 12:10AM

    And in AnBalores we have another person who doesn't have a clue about anything. Very poor, very poor indeed.

  • Rialobran  |  December 18 2013, 3:34AM

    1, Do we have a common decent? A) No as recent DNA has proven the native Cornish person is distinct even from Devonians let alone the rest of England. 2, Do we have a common history? A) In some respects yes, we hate you thieving. lying single brain-celled individuals as much as you hate us. 3, Do we have a common culture? A) I've often gone east to watch the famous Oxford Hobby Hoss, the spectacle of the Furry Dance in East Ham as people dance through each others apartment blocks, the oft forgotten Hurling in Hampstead... the only 'common culture' is TV brought to us by the English. 4, Do we have a common language? A) Yes and No Cornish is at the moment in the minority, but with time and education even you may have to learn it, just so you can understand when someone says 're'th kyjyewgh hwi' 5, Do we not inhabit a particular territory? A) Yes, we inhabit an area of outstanding natural beauty being slowly ruined by an Anglo-centric government and it's various quangos, Natural England, English Heritage and many more. As for the 800 year old 'county' allegation...http://tinyurl.com/2evkh3q the council doesn't seem to be aware of it 6, Are we not large enough? A) What sort of dumb-****d question is that? Cornwall has a larger population than some independent nations, and ask any woman size isn't the issue it's what you do with it that matters.

  • rickoon  |  December 18 2013, 9:06AM

    "and ask any woman size isn't the issue it's what you do with it that matters." Yes I go along with this, big or small, flashing your wallet around without spending a penny isn't a lot of good, in Cornwall's situation they have nothing to flash around but those who do, soon snap the bargains up.

  • hereandthere  |  December 18 2013, 6:19PM

    Rialobran, a new persona for who? Anyway back to the questions. 1) Typical of certain nationalists you misinterpret the information and the all important caveat the 'we are more alike than we are different'. But playing the race card is something some like to do. Selective reading of an interesting report is yet another nationalist resort. At least you admit this is a part of England. 2) And there, once again, we have nationalist hatred shining brightly. I don't hate anyone because of where they live or come from. But I do hate bigots, nationalists are among the worst. Apart from that, what a pathetic attempt at trying pretend there is no common history. 3) Unless you live in a vacuum you can't fail to realise that all over England there are regional cultures not forgetting histories, particular to certain places, including ones as small as villages. This does not make them separate from the rest of us and it certainly does not make them separate countries or nationalities. We share more than we do not and we also share the individual parts. This all goes to make England and the wider UK. 4) The common language is, English. Show me historical proof that this language was forced upon the people of Cornwall. And don't use education as a reason, teaching English would have been essential, just as standardising the language across the country was essential. Nobody was forced to speak or write Cornish at home or anywhere else the need for English would not have been best suited. 5) This response is just a load of college boy style clichés and pointless. The link was also a normal, and silly, attempt to do...what? Apart from show us some biased wording that does you nor Cornwall Council any favours. You really should look beyond your nationalist sources for information. If you read ever bother to read the charter establishing Cornwall as a Duchy you will see it being referred to, several times, as a County of England. You can not escape this fact so stop trying, it only shows you to be blind to facts. 6) The question was Paddy Trembath's as are all the others. I don't think he's a dumb a**e, whether I agree with him or not, he's not a dumb a****.

  • hereandthere  |  December 18 2013, 6:29PM

    Correction to 4)....'Nobody was forced *not* to speak or write Cornish....'

  • AnBalores  |  December 18 2013, 7:29PM

    Wednesday, July 27 2011 hereandthere - that's when Rialobran started posting here. Hardly new now is it? I must admit, his/her link to the Cornwall Council Timeline of Cornish History is interesting. Rather slaps your silly comments down hereandthere. http://tinyurl.com/cvce2t9 Entries on it convince me for one that Cornwall is not England. I happen to know that English was forced on the Cornish during the reformation. I am no historian but even I know that. Even you cannot have escaped the national newspaper and media stories regarding Cornish difference? It was even covered in this newspaper http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf I can well see why you lost your seat now! I much look forward to putting myself up for election in the not too distant future when I shall be obliged to stop posting here. Perhaps you should try again?

  • AnBalores  |  December 18 2013, 7:38PM

    I note hereandthere started posting here on Tuesday, August 20 2013. Perhaps one should be asking hereandthere a new persona for who? Well, other than a failed Labour ex councillor that is who really harbours so much hatred and prejudice against his constituents that it really is no surprise he lost his seat!

  • rickoon  |  December 18 2013, 7:58PM

    It is a clear indication when someone has met their match, they get all personal, thinking this is some kind of compensation for their inadequacy.

  • AnBalores  |  December 18 2013, 8:13PM

    I note rickoon started posting here on Thursday, April 04 2013. Perhaps one should be asking rickoon a new persona for who? It being very obvious that you are another persona for a banned poster rickoon, I ask have you read these links? http://tinyurl.com/cvce2t9 http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf Met my match? Don't be so truly pathetic. I pop in on this forum from time to time for a laugh. hereandthere is hardly competition is he? Your Cornish hater's group seems vastly diminished these days?

  • hereandthere  |  December 18 2013, 8:15PM

    AnBalores, you continue to show your ignorance of facts. If you think relying solely on nationalist information is the best way to obtain a clear unbiased opinion then you are letting yourself down, badly. I don't know where you are getting your supposed 'information' about me from but you should revisit your 'sources' in order to be able to post something that makes sense. If you are going to be standing for election, then good on you! I respect you for putting yourself up. Maybe you can talk some of your fellow nationalists to do the same. Just make sure that as a Green candidate you let your electorate know your nationalist views so they have the full picture.

  • rickoon  |  December 18 2013, 8:53PM

    "Your Cornish hater's group" My "hater's group" who is being pathetic now? Lol

  • AnBalores  |  December 18 2013, 9:20PM
  • hereandthere  |  December 19 2013, 6:47AM

    Now you are just posting links on behalf of TruroCornwall. Stop blinding yourself.

  • AnBalores  |  December 19 2013, 9:44AM

    Blinding myself? By posting links to Cornwall Council's Cornish History Timeline and then a report covered by the Morning News, this very paper covering Cornish difference followed up by a link to the Green Party. You just can't argue with these facts hereandthere. http://tinyurl.com/cvce2t9 http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf Some more facts http://tinyurl.com/puese8t Quite honestly, you really need to get a grip. You are so blinkered as to be a complete and utter waste of time. Indeed, you border on being a racist.

  • rickoon  |  December 19 2013, 11:26AM

    Now children play nicely. Here is a good link for you. http://tinyurl.com/pt3amed

  • Rialobran  |  December 19 2013, 1:48PM

    New persona? No just a returned one. "the native Cornish person is distinct even from Devonians let alone the rest of England" ...........A typical politicians reply (even I'm told a failed one) is to make this comment into me saying I acknowledge the Cornish as being part of the English race, sorry pard I can see how you failed now. You can of course be ethnically Cornish by embracing the culture of Cornwall and not have been born in Cornwall, I for one am not ethnically Lancastrian or an East Anglian the cultures of those areas make the people who follow them ethnically from Lancashire or East Anglia and has nothing to do with their race, it seems to me anyone not willing to embrace their local culture has another agenda one that may not be healthy, you appear to be one of those, this is the top most unhealthy bigot of them all a NIMBY. Speaking English does not make you English, ethnicity does I am both racially (proven DNA fact) and ethnically Cornish, I do not chase cheese down a hill in Gloucestershire, hunt eels in the Fens or have a flat cap and whippet. English and it's spread in Cornwall, The smashing and looting of the Cornish colleges at Glasney and Crantock brought an end to the formal scholarship that helped sustain the Cornish language and the Cornish cultural identity. Along with other assaults on Cornish legal rights, culture, language and religion in the mid 1500's. That said my great grandmother who died in 1990 spoke a dialect containing many Cornish words (40% rough estimate), she also spoke a 'plain' English for those who didn't understand her, she wasn't forced to do this her common decency towards others led her to it. A common decency the nimby 'plain' English speaker doesn't afford others. English is now at pandemic levels spreading the world like some kind of virus to the detriment of other languages, your comment on this subject is as close to National Socialism as I have seen on this sight, and not what I'd have expected from a (failed) Labour representative. I am proud to be a 'nationalist' if it means the revival of a Cornish identity and eventually nation, separate from the foreign English. And a separation of the links that make Cornwall part of the UK, the second most hated place on the planet.

  • rickoon  |  December 19 2013, 2:36PM

    "if it means the revival of a Cornish identity" I didn't think it needed reviving, the sort of identity the nationalists are trying to create is so far from reality it is enough to turn any right minded Cornish person off. "the second most hated place on the planet." And you think your little new Cornwall run by you lot will be that much better off, who are you trying to kid lol

  • Rialobran  |  December 19 2013, 4:07PM

    rickoon, the Cornish identity needs reviving after many years of suppression, of course some of us identify ourselves as Cornish in a more enlightened and vocal way than others, that is without question and many may indeed identify themselves as Cornish above any other 'group' in an unassuming way. But others are so indoctrinated into thinking themselves as English that they know no other form, these people are the ones in need of a 'revival of Cornish identity', the train has started and like the wrong leaves on the line people like you can and will be moved aside. I think a Cornwall free of the UK wont be sending troops to police the world. Better off in that sense. The economy will be poor I have no doubt though. With a GDP of £4 billion or so, though the almost £2 billion taken in various taxes of which £300 million plus doesn't return would certainly help any situation. Around £200 million is taken in insurance revenues of which almost nothing is returned in way of investment, and 30p in every pound invested in banks leaves Cornwall. And let us not forget the money raised by the Duchy, a nice little income that would benefit Cornwall. So will Cornwall be poor? Yes probably. Will it be poorer than now? Doubtful I don't 'kid' my friend, I am serious.

  • Rialobran  |  December 20 2013, 5:38PM

    "It seems that nobody is willing to respond, to be expected really, the anti-nationalists have nothing to offer. Nothing to offer except '****' maybe, just pathetic" "I thought with a new adversary this would give the underdog the chance to regroup and maybe save a little face if possible, I suppose if you have nothing to say it is best saying nothing." "Of course they have nothing to say. If they do post something it comes under scrutiny, they can't afford that." Karma is a wonderful thing

  • hereandthere  |  December 20 2013, 7:01PM

    Rialobran, you and AnBalores among others of your ilk, are beyond a joke. What a load of twisted rubbish you both post. You truly believe it all? I bet truthfully you know you are spouting nonsense but don't care, as long as you can indulge in hatred of the English. Some of you hate anything British too. How much of your tripe is driven by unspoken reasons I wonder. Go back and join your playmates it the 'other place'.

  • Rialobran  |  December 20 2013, 11:15PM

    Someone miss his afternoon nap? You sound a little 'testy' my friend, hit a nerve have I? Can't find words other than insults? Good.

  • AnBalores  |  December 20 2013, 11:17PM

    Examples of hereanthere's 'twisted rubbish' 'nonsense' 'hatred of the English' 'tripe' Links to Cornwall Council's Cornish History Timeline and then a report covered by the Morning News, this very paper covering Cornish difference http://tinyurl.com/cvce2t9 http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf To say that these sources are anything of the sort marks hereandthere out to be the twisted fascist bigot that he is.

  • Rialobran  |  December 21 2013, 4:05AM

    "It found the Welsh could claim to be the most ancient Britons and, along with the Cornish, the most genetically distinct of all the groups on mainland Britain" I love that line in the second link, such 'twisted rubbish' from Oxford University.

  • rickoon  |  December 21 2013, 8:58AM

    Gentlemen you need to temper your approach if your intentions are to win hearts and minds for your Cornish cause, the fact of the matter is there are more none Cornish people living in the County of Cornwall (and the numbers are growing daily) than there are Cornish imo, and the number of those who think the same way as you is greatly out numbered, it is all to do with the ballot box you see, so making your point a little more palatable can only be a step in the right direction, or the wrong one according to each individuals opinion that is.

  • Taxman100  |  December 21 2013, 11:18AM

    I have said many times on this forum I am a Cornishman who can trace my Cornish ancestry back over a number of centuries - albeit, a number of Nordic and French ladies have widened my genetic pool. I must however agree entirely with the comments made in the initial thread, and with those made later by rickoon and hereandthere. Cornwall is a County within England, our common language is English, and our culture, although not unique, is tightly interwoven with the English. I frequently refer to myself as being Cornish. All this implies is that I come from the County of Cornwall which is part of England. With the exception of a few Cornish Nationalists, those to whom I say it interpret my comment in the same way. ie: I do not come from some fantasy Nation called Cornwall. I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy, and non-divisive, New Year. All Cornish crabs in the same pot together!

  • Rialobran  |  December 21 2013, 1:12PM

    Rickoon, 'temper our approach'? Is hereandthere not being abusive? I believe he is, AnBalores and I have been firm with facts, yet it's 'twisted rubbish' and 'nonsense'. The thread is in itself not a 'tempered approach' but an attempt to rile the tempers of nationalists, and just the same re-hashing of the BS diatribe that was here in 2011. This sight is like Groundhog day with different names (Taxman and myself excluded) The one thing places like this have taught me is keyboard warriors fear the nationalist, why else 'bait' 'goad' and keep trying to intimidate what you perceive to be the few? If we are so small in number surely we are no threat to your idea of a 'little corner of England'

  • hereandthere  |  December 21 2013, 2:27PM

    Rialobran, if you have come to such conclusions then you have not taken the findings in their entirety. You are simply attempting to point to some phantom idea of racial supremacy in order to get what you want. If that is not abhorrent to any right minded person then nothing would be.

  • hereandthere  |  December 21 2013, 2:35PM

    Oh and if you want 'abusive' how about this.... By Rialobran Wednesday, December 18 2013, 3:34AM "2, Do we have a common history? A) In some respects yes, we hate you thieving. lying single brain-celled individuals as much as you hate us." That is the underlying bedrock of Cornish Nationalism. And he has the gall to have a go at me.

  • Rialobran  |  December 21 2013, 2:51PM

    "It found the Welsh could claim to be the most ancient Britons and, along with the Cornish, the most genetically distinct of all the groups on mainland Britain" A report from an English newspaper about an English universities findings is hardly " phantom idea of racial supremacy" Coming from a man/woman who so far has sounded like a British officer in the last days of the Raj I find you an unworthy advocate of what 'racial superiority' may be.

  • rickoon  |  December 21 2013, 4:22PM

    "If we are so small in number surely we are no threat to your idea of a 'little corner of England" For me, you and others like you on here are an embarrassment, as soon as you open your mouths you put people off, those Cornish people that I converse with on f/b don't breathe a word of the tripe that comes out on here, people that I went to school with and grew up and worked with and most of all respect. You lot to me come over like a failed lot in society, trying to make something out of nothing as a crutch as an excuse for your failings in life.

  • hereandthere  |  December 21 2013, 5:36PM

    From the study itself. http://tinyurl.com/8jzngyo "Dr Bruce Winney of Oxford's Department of Oncology, a member of the research team, suggests you can form theories to explain the origins of the genetic variation the group has mapped out. 'We might be seeing the result of Anglo-Saxon invasions pushing other peoples down into Cornwall or Wales,' he suggests. 'Or we might be seeing how Britain was recolonised after the ice ages. The West of our islands may have been peopled by movement up the coastal areas from Atlantic-facing Europe, whilst the southeast was influenced by pre-Anglo-Saxon movements from the area that now spans Denmark to Belgium. These patterns may then have been reinforced by the Anglo-Saxon invasions much later.' However, he cautions that these genetic differences that the project has found across the British Isles are small. We are far more genetically alike than we are different, he says." There is nothing in the entire report about 'ancient Britons', 'Britons' or anything like it. To attempt to use this research to claim a racial claim to anywhere is disturbing and disgusting.

  • Rialobran  |  December 21 2013, 5:41PM

    "failings in life" I have no failings in life, I'm know my career in public service is one of the most fulfilling and sought after jobs in the UK, so don't pretend you know anything about me. "those Cornish people that I converse with on f/b don't breathe a word of the tripe that comes out on here, people that I went to school with and grew up and worked with and most of all respect." ie. Friends I could say the exact same thing about my English friends. I'm not your friend, never will be, would never want to be, so don't confuse yourself with this issue. As for embarrassment, like I give a fig what you think, in reality your time in minority will come and when it does I'm sure you'll be treated with more respect than you give nationalist at present.

  • rickoon  |  December 21 2013, 6:23PM

    "I'm not your friend, never will be, would never want to be, so don't confuse yourself with this issue." I certainly wouldn't write you off. Anyway have a nice Christmas. http://tinyurl.com/oe6jdtb

  • PaddyTrembath  |  December 21 2013, 7:01PM

    rickoon wrote:- ".....those Cornish people that I converse with on f/b.,....." And that is the difference rickoon, "those Cornish people that I converse with" I do so IN Cornwall. They come from all walks of Cornish life, and are not a list of those I have chosen to "befriend" on an artificial construct such as "f/b"

  • rickoon  |  December 21 2013, 7:20PM

    So everyone is happy then Paddy. And you have a nice Christmas.

  • AnBalores  |  December 21 2013, 11:07PM

    All very interesting I am sure. However, I much prefer those 'rabidly Nationalist references' to be found at the Cornwall council Cornish History Timeline and in the Western Morning News. I am Cornish of Britain and European. I am not English or of England. I marked Cornish wherever possible on the 2011 Census as encouraged by Cornwall Council. In line with my political party I also support devolution and full federalism. All of these things are lawful and the right to identity is a right enshrined in law. So hereandthere and friends can try to thrust on me what they will. It will not change me, my opinions or my legal rights on jot.

  • AnBalores  |  December 21 2013, 11:09PM

    PS. any truth in the rumour that Big Ger was banned from this site for forcing his offensive views on others?

  • AnBalores  |  December 22 2013, 1:17AM

    From the study itself "On the genetic map of Britain, Cornish people clustered separately from those from Devon" From the media Daily Telegraph http://tinyurl.com/cm2bc2h Western Morning News http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf The Times http://tinyurl.com/cbhc38e Further, as a school governor, I received this the other day from my son's school Since 2006 school children in Cornwall have been allowed to record themselves (or via their parents for the younger ones) as Cornish or at least identifying as Cornish, on the Pupil Led Annual Schools Census (PLASC). Since then the number identifying solely as Cornish to the exclusion of other identities has risen from 24% to 46%. 2006: 24 percent 2007: 27 percent 2008: 30 percent 2009: 34 percent 2010: 37 percent 2011: 41 percent 2012: 43.2 percent 2013: 46 percent My son was one of them having made his own decision. National identity is more than DNA tests which are useful but not exhaustive. Only imperialistic English neo fascists and racists like hereandthere attempt to force their views on others. Fortunately, they are fast failing.

  • hereandthere  |  December 22 2013, 4:23AM

    Perhaps you could provide a link to the above information (a non Wikepedia one). As it does not appear on the Cornwall Council website.

  • Rialobran  |  December 22 2013, 5:41AM

    Seems to me hereandthere you argument is like your name, all over the bloody place, and not very concentrated. 'We might be seeing the result of Anglo-Saxon invasions pushing other peoples down into Cornwall or Wales,' he suggests. 'Or we might be seeing how Britain was recolonised after the ice ages. The West of our islands may have been peopled by movement up the coastal areas from Atlantic-facing Europe, whilst the southeast was influenced by pre-Anglo-Saxon movements from the area that now spans Denmark to Belgium. These patterns may then have been reinforced by the Anglo-Saxon invasions much later.' Lots of 'if's' 'but's' and 'maybe's' but the basic gist is we are different 'However, he cautions that these genetic differences that the project has found across the British Isles are small.' Small, but different. Like Europe itself, small but different.

  • rickoon  |  December 22 2013, 8:57AM

    "Lots of 'if's' 'but's' and 'maybe's' but the basic gist is we are different" You can say that again. Trying to close the door after the horse has bolted maybe. http://tinyurl.com/pm6ude6

  • PaddyTrembath  |  December 22 2013, 10:34AM

    rickoon, for a christian, you seem to have a bit of a wealth fixation, rather unlike the man himself.

  • AnBalores  |  December 22 2013, 1:03PM

    hereandthere - the figures were sent to be as a parent governor. If you choose not to believe them then that is for you. They are gathered in from schools across Cornwall by the Cornwall Council. *If you believe the democratically elected Council to be some wicked force then again that is for you. The only tool here is you hereandthere. You are the ultimate imperialistic English neo fascist and racist and the strange thing is, you are too obtuse to see it. Take your links hereandthere. You are truly pathetic.

  • AnBalores  |  December 22 2013, 1:04PM

    "On the genetic map of Britain, Cornish people clustered separately from those from Devon" From the media Daily Telegraph http://tinyurl.com/cm2bc2h Western Morning News http://tinyurl.com/c5ubpcf The Times http://tinyurl.com/cbhc38e

  • Rialobran  |  December 22 2013, 1:51PM

    rickoon, my Cornish born and bred mother is one of the 529, no holiday lets and rent at competitive prices to local families, not sure what your point is here my bird. Jealous that Cornish people may be able to make money?

  • rickoon  |  December 22 2013, 4:14PM

    My "point is" "He who pays the piper calls the tune" Those who have invested in property and the like in Cornwall are not going to be swayed in any way by some two-bit renegade self appointed think they are more Cornish than most, unless it is to their advantage, think on it.

  • Rialobran  |  December 22 2013, 4:36PM

    Could the same not be said of Scotland? Where at least one maybe more land-owning/property millionaire could buy and sell all of Cornwall's combined? I really am unable to get your point with this argument, do you believe they'd leave? Good, any who wish can leave with my blessing and the blessing of many, with property someone will always buy. Do you believe they wont invest? One thing I do know about the wealthy is they are greedy *******s. Oh, and I never assume to be more Cornish than anyone else, I'm just not afraid to wear/show my colours like some.

  • rickoon  |  December 22 2013, 4:59PM

    "I really am unable to get your point with this argument" I think it could be something to do with you having a closed mind, in denial, not wanting to face the realities of life in your little make believe world, the list goes on and on. I will not pressure you any further on this, it is plain to see you have nothing to offer only to regurgitate what you have been told, nothing of any substance from you as an individual.

  • hereandthere  |  December 23 2013, 2:15PM

    rickoon, you are right. These people do not want to see. Their continued use of information without contextual references is also typical of those who want to pretend. See how they refuse to look at anything we provide them with but want us to read from their biased or outdated sources, which I have done to get a proper set of views. Their refusal to look beyond the nationalist 'library' is sad and disturbing.

  • rickoon  |  December 23 2013, 2:52PM

    "These people do not want to see." This is a little understandable in one respect, what else have they got, you have seen and heard them no doubt putting on their over the top exaggerated Cornish drawl especially when they have had a drink or two and got a bit of an audience, then there are the others that have had a little bit of RAF training of kinds that think they know it all regarding planning and the growth of housing stock etc throughout Cornwall. This is what keeps them going hereandthere, their little mountain to climb if you like, I will say again these kind need the likes of you and me and others to keep their little lights shining for them.

  • AnBalores  |  December 23 2013, 4:28PM

    I do take your points Rialobran, PaddyTrembath and others. The problem with these English Nationalists is that in their post colonial, neo fascist viewpoints, they refuse to accept diversity and will attempt to counter any source be it Cornwall Council or other in order to attempt to force their imperialist views on us. Thankfully as the latest PLASC survey demonstrates they are losing. They occupy themselves trolling on fairly obscure message boards whereas people like us are out there campaigning, becoming school governors, getting onto Councils and so on. They are destined to fail.

  • hereandthere  |  December 23 2013, 6:58PM

    Such rubbish and self delusion, AnBalores, so usual of a nationalist. You use labels for some of us, you would be wise to look at yourself and your own views.

  • AnBalores  |  December 23 2013, 11:43PM

    The usual rants from a failed councillor and a racist one at that. I am not a Nationalist, however, you are. A former independent councillor who was forced to stand down for domestic reasons, it will be my pleasyre to stand for the Green Party in the not too distant future. You are fast heading the way of one of your former lackey who has been banned from this site. Take your English neo fascist views and trot off to your post imperial world weeping that legislation allows for increasing numbers to designate as Cornish and that the inevitable is sure to happen. Our children lead the way as the PLASC figures show. Many more changes are coming. Your future is not ours. Since 2006 school children in Cornwall have been allowed to record themselves (or via their parents for the younger ones) as Cornish or at least identifying as Cornish, on the Pupil Led Annual Schools Census (PLASC). Since then the number identifying solely as Cornish to the exclusion of other identities has risen from 24% to 46%. 2006: 24 percent 2007: 27 percent 2008: 30 percent 2009: 34 percent 2010: 37 percent 2011: 41 percent 2012: 43.2 percent 2013: 46 percent My son was one of them having made his own decision. He is Cornish not English along with hundreds of others.

  • hereandthere  |  December 24 2013, 2:38AM

    What are you talking about? Stop kidding yourself! Your ignorance and self delusions are quite staggering.

  • rickoon  |  December 24 2013, 9:03AM

    "it will be my pleasyre to stand for the Green Party in the not too distant future." Not MK then. Why?

  • AnBalores  |  December 26 2013, 10:59AM

    @ rickoon Because I am a member of Bagas Gwer Kernewek http://tinyurl.com/puese8t

  • Rialobran  |  December 26 2013, 11:05AM

    OMG, you pair of idiots have verbal incontinence! rickoon - AnBalores- 'I am not a Nationalist'..... Answers your question hereandthere- Your views are those of more than a Nationalist, more of a National Socialist. You think your view is the only one and 'burn' the heretics and their books it seems, I'd take you seriously if you had anything other than bile to spout, but you seem to be a dangerous fruitcake.

  • rickoon  |  December 26 2013, 11:41AM

    United We Stand Divided We Fall http://tinyurl.com/qac4r6v

  • Rialobran  |  December 26 2013, 5:44PM

    Ironic that you show a film made by Americans, the divided colonial minority that stood against the mighty oppressor and defeated him.

  • rickoon  |  December 26 2013, 6:43PM

    This is one of Cornwall's biggest hang-ups, we do not like to be told, just see how many independent candidates there are. When someone has the ability to bring together all these different splinter groups and make them one unit, then and only then will Cornwall be a political force to be reckoned with.

  • Rialobran  |  December 27 2013, 2:38PM

    I can't disagree with that statement, but while people still believe the lies of the big three parties and UKIP to a lesser extent, then there will be no hope for Cornwall, a strong Cornish party is what is needed and best.

  • hereandthere  |  December 27 2013, 5:27PM

    By Rialobran. "hereandthere- Your views are those of more than a Nationalist, more of a National Socialist. You think your view is the only one and 'burn' the heretics and their books it seems, I'd take you seriously if you had anything other than bile to spout, but you seem to be a dangerous fruitcake." The rich irony!

  • Rialobran  |  December 28 2013, 3:52PM

    From your very first post 'hereandthere' you have been baiting Cornish Nationalists, seems to me you have the 'my way or highway' attitude and public executions would be on any agenda you had a part in. Me? I don't give a **** what you think or believe that much any more, you have nothing relevant to say, at least rickoon tries no matter how misguided I think he is.

  • hereandthere  |  December 28 2013, 7:26PM

    'Baiting' Cornish nationalists, right ok, so because I fundamentally do not agree with you and say so, this is baiting? You think I should be happy with you and others like you, claiming Cornwall is not a part of England? That I should roll over and say 'oh yeah, there are no other truths than yours'? You think that reading such nationalist vitriolic outpourings likening the English flag to the Nazi swastika is something I should simply ignore? You think that such things as that and talk of 'English Imperialism' is not 'baiting'? Have a look at yourself.

  • Rialobran  |  December 29 2013, 4:46AM

    by hereandthereMonday, December 16 2013, 4:33PM "It seems that nobody is willing to respond, to be expected really, the nationalists have nothing to offer. Nothing to offer except 'kitchen adverts' maybe, just pathetic." by hereandthereMonday, December 16 2013, 9:33PM "Of course they have nothing to say. If they do post something it comes under scrutiny, they can't afford that." BAITING!

  • rickoon  |  December 29 2013, 9:50AM

    "the nationalists have nothing to offer." Well lets see what the nationalists do have to offer then shall we, all this beating about the bush is getting nowhere and not helping anyone, personally I think it is a state of mind, nothing to offer only an opinion, sadly this incorporates an element of nastiness and scare mongering on the part of some Cornish Nationalists.

  • hereandthere  |  December 29 2013, 3:15PM

    Baiting? Factual observations more like.

  • Slimslad  |  December 29 2013, 5:28PM

    Those that personally insult those that disagree with their point of view have found a new "safe" place to "spread the word". They will return, in my opinion, as we get closer to Spring. (If only to "advertise" more kitchens).

  • Big_Ger  |  December 29 2013, 8:58PM

    As long as Cornish Nationalists express their views in open forums like these, our lovely county of Cornwall will be safe from Cornish Nationalism.

  • AnBalores  |  December 29 2013, 10:35PM

    Yawn

  • rickoon  |  December 30 2013, 10:30AM

    "As long as Cornish Nationalists express their views in open forums like these, our lovely county of Cornwall will be safe from Cornish Nationalism" As long as it is not in anyway incitement for others to do dastardly deeds, I go with that B_G. It may seem tiresome for some but you over the years B_G have done more than most to exploit this nationalist Cornish Piskey type of image.

  • Rialobran  |  December 30 2013, 12:54PM

    Someone has a thin skin lol. Reporting my comment and having it removed, nice one sided forum where only those that accept the queens shilling (schilling) can get away with being arrogant and facetious

  • AnBalores  |  December 30 2013, 3:24PM

    And you live where exactly, Mr Rickoon? As for Big Ger - yawn

  • rickoon  |  December 30 2013, 4:30PM

    Oh that is a good..put you down.. I do not think, on your bike you.

  • AnBalores  |  December 30 2013, 5:16PM

    And there was me thinking that a good Christian boy like you would be telling the truth Mr Rickoon or whatever you are are calling yourself today. Come on, you're neither young nor in Cornwall are you? A bit like Slimslad really.

  • AnBalores  |  December 30 2013, 5:20PM

    And one could say that for as long as Tories like Big Ger post here, there is even less chance of the Tories, who let's face it hate us 'plebs', winning the next General Election or even finding someone to do a little back room deal with. But my, what an insufferable bore Big Ger is, isn't he?

  • rickoon  |  December 30 2013, 5:56PM

    @AnBalores Just one posting please where I have not been telling the truth.

  • AnBalores  |  December 30 2013, 10:09PM

    Come, come Mr Rickoon. Or should I say 'Young' 'Cornwall'. Neither young nor in Cornwall from what I have been given to understand!

  • rickoon  |  December 31 2013, 9:04AM

    Who cares what you understand. Just one posting please where I have not been telling the truth.

  • AnBalores  |  December 31 2013, 7:16PM

    Not young, not in Cornwall. Mind you, some down this way remember you, just.

  • rickoon  |  December 31 2013, 7:44PM

    A Greenhorn standing for the Green party, you couldn't make it up lol. No wonder Cornwall doesn't get anywhere politically.

  • rickoon  |  January 02 2014, 10:11AM

    by AnBalores Monday, December 23 2013, 11:43PM "A former independent councillor who was forced to stand down for domestic reasons, it will be my pleasyre to stand for the Green Party in the not too distant future." Well AnBalores. Do you think you have what it takes? by AnBalores Monday, December 30 2013, 5:16PM "And there was me thinking that a good Christian boy like you would be telling the truth Mr Rickoon or whatever you are are calling yourself today. Come on, you're neither young nor in Cornwall are you? A bit like Slimslad really." by rickoon Monday, December 30 2013, 5:56PM "@AnBalores Just one posting please where I have not been telling the truth." Well AnBalores what do you have to say, perhaps you can be kind enough to tell us which ward you will be standing in? Or better still retract your above statement.

  • AnBalores  |  January 02 2014, 10:18AM

    Neither young nor even in Cornwall Mr Rickoon? Hardly a 'Greenhorn' having been a Councillor once before then brought a child into the world and still living in the area, unlike you. And when I enter into the electoral process once again, I shall immediately stop posting here.

  • rickoon  |  January 02 2014, 5:54PM

    Let's hope you are a little more popular face to face with people than you are on here, you are coming over very dismal to say the least. What have you to say politically? The threads you have started barely get a mention. Remember this, if you have come on here just to use this forum for your own ends, don't try to use the people that have been on here long before you, and will be long after the likes of you have gone.

  • AnBalores  |  January 02 2014, 10:46PM

    You needn't worry about my popularity from where you are Mr not so 'Young' Rickoon. Last time I stood I was elected with quite a majority. As for popularity on this sad little forum, don't make me laugh. The kitchen spam is more challenging. And don't presume to tell me what to remember Brummy Boy.

  • AnBalores  |  January 02 2014, 10:49PM

    As for using the forum for 'my own ends' have you looked at some of the other threads on here? Sad I should say and as we all know, yours and a few other views on here are representative of nothing, even more since you don't even live in Cornwall, do you?

  • rickoon  |  January 03 2014, 9:24AM

    It is a pity that your bitterness without the ability to control your feeling is coming over. Just a little thought for you to think about before I end this, not everyone may be in as good health and as fit as you that post on this forum, so a little respect for those you do not know who could maybe need these forums more than you, is worth thinking about.

  • AnBalores  |  January 03 2014, 6:12PM

    What are you waffling on about Young - or not so - Cornwall. Have you been on the lemonade up there in Brum?

  • lovelycornwal  |  January 05 2014, 11:50AM

    by AnBaloresMonday, December 23 2013, 11:43PM "The usual rants from a failed councillor and a racist one at that. I am not a Nationalist, however, you are. A former independent councillor who was forced to stand down for domestic reasons, it will be my pleasyre to stand for the Green Party in the not too distant future." __________________________________________ AnBalores, I am not sure if you are a genuine Green Party supporter or just attempting to line yourself to the Green party to make them look bad.

  • AnBalores  |  January 05 2014, 4:23PM

    Nothing I write makes the Green Party look bad. I have been a member for many, many years. I despise the vitriolic fascist anti Cornish Imperialist views of the idiots on this forum. Are you one of them?

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